18-Volt Power Cordless Drill & Driver Kit with Accessories

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Unlike other cordless drills on the market that "advertise" 18V on its label, our 18V cordless drill is an outstanding value that has true 18-volt power with a 1200 mAh Ni-Cd battery, and of course, with our unbeatable price, the lowest yet quality cordless drill on the market. Features variable-speed and reversible clutch, keyless chuck for fast and easy bit changes, drill-bit, driver kit, UL-listed charger and a blow molded ABS carry/storage case.
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- 18 Volt Cordless Drill
- 3/8" Keyless Chuck
- Variable Speed
- Reversible
- 16 Position Clutch Controls Torque Settings
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 "good working tool, not that much for the plastic cover" 2006-07-27
By Essam Mostafa K. Labib (Kuwait, Farwania Kuwait)
i got this drill 5 dayes back, and the first immprestion about it was it looks cheep, because of the kind of plastic they use, also the handle grip is not that good as it is in plastic not rubber, also i found that it is kind of heavy, also there is one remark about the charger which has 2 LED's one green and one red, both kept luminated all the time even after 10 hours of charging, even it was noted on the charger that it will charge from 3-5 hours only.

for the motor, gear and variable bush button they seemed to work perfectly good which is the most important thing.

extra battery is not available till now.

end opinion, it is good performer for the kind of money paied for, and worth buying for normal house use.


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1-1/2" SDS Rotary Hammer Drill Concrete Power Tool

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1-1/2" SDS Rotary Hammer Drill. This high quality rotary hammer drill features: * 110V/60Hz, 1000 Watt motor * No Load Speed: 800 RPM * Shock Frequency: 0-3000 BPM * Concrete Capacity: 1-1/2" * Steel Capacity: 1" * SDS chuck with handle that can be rotate
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- 1-1/2" SDS Rotary Hammer Drill 110V/60Hz 1000 Watt Motor
- Shock Frequency of 0 to 3000 bpm allows you to use it for concrete up to 1-1/2 inches and steel up to one inch.
- Adjustable handle can be rotated to any angle.
- 800 rpm no load speed
- Set includes drill, 3 bits and 2 chisels in custom formed case
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Hitachi DB10DL 10.8-Volt Li-Ion Micro Driver Drill

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Variable speed trigger. Free-standing, balanced tool weight insures wrist alignment and reduces fatigue. Ergonomic handle with secure grip. Drill mode for precision and control in both forward and reverse; 21 torque settings. LED light ring. Quick change 1/4" hex chuck. Battery charge indicator light. HXP batteries. Charger circuitry prevents overheating and power loss. Specifications: 1/4" hex, 88 in/lbs torque, 0-400 RPM, 10.8V battery, 1.5Ah battery, 21 plus 1 clutch stages, LED ring light, Lithium- ion battery type. Includes: (2) No.329370 1.5Ah Lithium Ion batteries, No.UC10SFL charger, carrying case, driver bit, 7-piece bit set.
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Technical Details

- 88 Inch Pounds of Torque
- 21 Stage Clutch with an additional drill setting
- Battery Charge Indicator light
- LED light ring illuminates the on the work surface
- Quick Change 1/4" Hex Chuck
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 "lack of power" 2009-07-22
By Larry D. Strom
Although I have bought Hitachi tools in the past I have never bought their cordless products. I found the balance and compactness of the product impressive. The power for the product and torque was not. It should have been listed as pounds of torque which I would estimate to be less then 100. This is not enough to drive 3 inch screws.. Even 2 1/2 drywall screws were a problem..The battery does seem to hold a charge extremely well...But time will tell. I own a Makita 9 volt niCa also for 20 years.. It has twice the power and only 9 volts...the 10.8 li-ion is great for light to medium projects only! It also would be nice if the product description would say that it only takes 1/4 inch shanks and is not adjustable

 "DONT BUY THIS JUNK" 2009-06-03
By J. Korbett (So.Cal)
I bought 3 Crap-tachi drills that came with 6 batteries. After a year and a half 5 of the batteries have gone bad. You think you got this great warranty with it you don't its a joke read the fine print, it only covers the drill it self, so what do you do with a drill with no batteries? I called the customer service line its even worst, The customer service agent told me I should have bough a Makita instead and I would have not had this problem. So I went down to there repair center and talked to the guy about it, he says the all this Hitachi stuff is junk, and they have nothing but problems with it. DON'T BUY THIS CRAP LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE I NOW HAVE 3 DRILLS 1 BATTERY AND OUT $ [...]

 "Awesome" 2009-05-26
By E. Jacob (Lewisburg, PA)
This is one of the best deals I have gotten from Amazon. The price is unbelievabe and the product can not be beat! I have usee this drill several times and find it to be outstanding for a small hand tool and the battery life is great.

 "Power in a small, lightweight package ..." 2009-05-14
By Gregory M. Brettell (Reno, NV USA)
I'll make this short ... this little driver is a powerhouse!



Soon after I received I had a job to do ... my kids thought it would be interesting to see what was in our neighbors yard, SO ... they decided to tear out the aging fence boards to go check it out. I was horrified to see a gaping hole in our fence leading into the neighbors yard!



I fired up the new drill and had that fence repaired in no time at all (I actually enjoyed it ... but don't tell my kids that!).



This tool is well worth it (I purchased when it was selling for $62.50 and free shipping -- can't beat that price). This is better than my expensive DeWalt (which is much heavier, way less power, and won't stand on its' own when you set it down -- not balanced).



O.K. that wasn't very short afterall, but hopefully you enjoyed the story.



Buy it ... you'll love it!



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 "Great feel, great battery life" 2009-03-29
By Benbrilling (Santa Cruz, CA USA)
I really like the feel of this tool. I bought it about 6 months ago and charged it up, played with it a bit, but haven't really had a need to use it until now. The battery still had plenty of charge after sitting in the case for 6 months! A NiCad would need a full a charge before using after that long. I like the balance, the controls, and the impression of quality I get from it. The quick change is really handy and if you buy a set of quick change drill bits you will be ready to easily tackle any medium sized job with ease with this little guy. My only complaint is the case it comes in. It is obviously made for a much larger drill and is a real shame to spoil the convenience of a compact drill with a big half-empty case. Because of the built in interior contours of the case (made to fit a larger drill) it isn't practical to use the wasted space for additional bits or drills. But that's not enough of a bother to knock off any stars from my top rating.



Edit: After using this for several months I have grown to really appreciate the built-in light. It really helps you to position the blade on the screw before you start. The trick is to just pull the trigger slightly and the light comes on but the drill doesn't start turning until you pull the trigger more (after you've seated the bit into the screw).


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Hitachi D10YB 4.6 Amp 3/8-Inch Right Angle Drill

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Smaller grip and low head in 83mm for quarter work. Faster drilling speed, slide switch, reversing switch and variable speed dial on rear end. STANDARD EQUIPMENT: 1 chuck wrench, 1 side handle. SPECIFICATIONS: 500W, 500-2,300/min. no-load sp eed. Drilling capacity: 3/8" in steel, 7/8" in wood. 11-7/16" overall length. 3.3 lbs. tool weight.
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- Right angle drill with 4.6 Amp motor ideal for tight-corner, plumbing, and electrical applications
- Dial-in speed control for 500 to 2,300 RPM with load
- Durable cast-aluminum gear housing; slide switch with lock-on trigger
- Includes industrial 3/8-inch chuck, chuck key, and removable side handle
- Weighs 3.3 pounds; 5-year limited warranty
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 "I like it" 2009-02-22
By Ronald J. Diamond (Madison, WI)
I bought the hitachi drill to replace a no-brand drill that burned out after only a bit of use. I have had it a month, and so far it seems like a very solid, very well made machine. I have not had it long enough to know for sure, but it has the feel of a machine that will last a long time. There has been discussion of the switch on the machine. I have used mine for drilling between stud spaces, where the switch seems to work very well, and as a sander for a lathe. The switch does not work well in this application, it is too hard to keep on, but i have used an arm band (i had one around for "tennis elbow) to "lock" the switch on while sanding. This is easy, fast, does not get in the way, and works fine. I would have preferred some way to lock the switch on for use in sanding, but am OK with the drill as is.

I considered the Milwaukee close quarter drill, but needed a true right angle for some of my drilling. I also considered the Makita, but the Hitachi has a more powerful motor and was less expensive.

 "Well made, does the job." 2008-07-23
By Aaron Dewar
This was purchased to drill two holes in a tight spot on an engine. This drill was very compact, and fit well within the tight space. I liked the switch, it was nice not to have to hold it "on" yet still be able to shut it off quickly.



Definitely a good tool.

 "Powerful drill in a great configuration" 2008-07-03
By Arthur Held (Missoula MT)
I recently added the Hitachi D10YB right angle drill to my toolbox in preparation for a project rebuilding a camper. I've been using it heavily for two days, and have the following observations:



PROs: the drill has strong torque at all speeds. The controls for direction and speed are easy to access. The "paddle" type on/off switch is a lifesaver when you are reaching into tight corners. With the low speed, you can also use this as an electric screwdriver in places you can't get with the standard gear (but be careful - its easy to twist the head right off the screw!) The reversible screw-in handle is very handy, and without the handle on you can get into even tighter corners. The chuck is a key type, and really holds bits and drivers well - round and hex shaft (I haven't had a bit come loose yet); the chuck is guarded just a touch above the top and sides: this means you are less likely to mar your finished surfaces than when trying to lay a big nosed cordless drill with a keyless chuck on its side to squeeze near a ceiling or in a cabinet, AND it means you aren't accidentally loosening the chuck when you bump into a wall while running in reverse.



CONs: the Paddle switch took me a few holes to get used to, but now I love it.



SUMMARY: quiet. Powerful. Feels good in my hand. This one is a real keeper!

 "Excellent drill & I like the switch!" 2008-02-14
By ScottW (Northwest Washington)
Excellent quality throughout. Others have complained about the switch, but I find it very easy to use. The trigger slides easily into the "on' position, and a simple squeeze pops the catch and it slides back into the off position. For me, this makes a lot more sense than a trigger switch when working in tight quarters.

 "Nice drill. Switch is fine." 2007-11-28
By M. B. Weppner (Buffalo, NY)
Nice compact and professional drill that seems to have the best price. Switch works fine. You can both tap it on/off or you can slide it down and hold it (it will stop if you release). I would certainly recommend this drill assuming I have not problems with it down the line.


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Black & Decker CD12SFK 12-Volt Ni-Cad 3/8-Inch Cordless Drill/Driver with Stud Finder

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12V Cordless Drill/Driver Kit With Stud Finder, Includes One Battery, Charger&Kit Box.
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- Ideal for drilling holes through and screwdriving in metal, wood, or plastic
- Works at variable speeds for precise results
- 24-position clutch for versatility, control, and to stop screws from stripping
- Dimensions: 13.6 x 4.3 x 12.2 inches (WxHxD); weighs 6.8 pounds; 2-year warranty
- Includes one 12-volt battery pack, one charger, six one-inch screwdriving bits, one magnetic bit tip holder, kit box, and stud finder
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 "Great product, lousy buying experience" 2009-02-17
By D. Colaizzi (Benicia, CA United States)
1. Wrong item initially sent (cordless ordered, drill with cord sent); contacted seller who apologized & agreed to send correct item.

2. When correct item received, it did not include stud finder originally included in purchase.

3. When correct item was received, batteries for stud finder were bad, exploded & corrosion was all over inside of drill & case...along with human hair...DISGUSTING!!!

4. Response time adequate, but I won't buy from this seller again, too many problems for what was supposed to be a Christmas gift.

 "Great Gift!" 2008-12-12
By zoilus girl (New York, NY USA)
Don't know much about drills, so did my web research - and this was rated the best within this under-$100 price range. Gave it as a gift to a 'handyman' friend the other day, and he loved it! (One of the waiters at the restaurant also loved it....)

 "Excellent cordless drill" 2008-01-02
By J. Scenga
I've had mine for a couple weeks and, so far, have used it twice. Works great and is no heavier than my old 12 volt cordless that I've had for about 5 years. The 18 volt battery was a plus for me since I purchased the B&D cordless trimmer last spring, and it uses the same battery(I got 2 with the trimmer). This drill offers more power than you'll ever need for household projects. And having only 5 torque settings isn't really a big deal either. I had no problem assembling a plastic table for my grandsons for Christmas and never stripped one screw. The only drawback that I can see is the storage case could have been designed a little better. You have to remove the battery to put the drill back in the case. But, there is room for everything, including the stud-finder, in the case.

To be honest, I would buy this product again and I've already recommended it to a number of friends.

 "Cool kit" 2007-05-07
By DirtyRed (Cali)
This is a very comprehensive set. The drill works well as does the studd finder. The drill is has torque adjusments which makes it a sinch to use. The sud finder is something I wouldn't have thought to byuy but now that I have one I wouldn't go with out one.

 "nice drill" 2007-02-12
By Debra Dailey (ENGADINE , MI)
my husband likes this drill as do i. we use it all the time and have had no problems. we have bought one for my father in law and he likes his too. it's a good drill.


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Black & Decker CDC180ASB 18-volt Compact Drill with 20 Accessories

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18V Compact Cordless Drill Kit With 20 Accessories, Compact Design For Getting Into Tight Spaces, Variable Speed/Reverse Provides Controlled Drilling & Driving In A Variety Of Materials, Spring Loaded Battery Allows For Easy Installation & Removal Of Batteries, Keyless Chuck Provides Quick & Easy Bit Changing, 6 Position Clutch Prevents Screws From Stripping, Soft Grips For Additional Comfort, 20 Accessories For Versatility In A Wide Range Of Applications, Applications: Drilling Holes Through Wood, Metal & Plastic, Screwdriving Into Wood, Metal & Plastic, Includes: 18V Compact Drill, (1) HPB18 18V Slide Pack Battery, (1 ) DC Plug Charger, (1) Double Ended Bit Tip, (1) Storage Bag & (20) Accessories, Warranty Specifications 2 Year Warranty.
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- 17 percent smaller and supplies 10 percent more torque (up to 122-inch-pounds) than older models
- Variable speed (from zero to 650 RPM) for optimum precision and control
- Six-position clutch; keyless chuck for effortless bit changes
- Dimensions: 13.7 x 12.5 x 4-inches (WxHxD); weighs 8.0-pounds; 2-year warranty
- Includes one 18-volt drill, one 18-volt slide pack batteries, one charger, one double-ended bit tip, one storage case, and 20 helpful accessories
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 "reffrag from Florida" 2009-08-19
By E. Shaffer
I chose this drill for two reasons. 1. To replace a model that just stopped working but used the same batteries which would give me additional working time before recharging and 2. I like the compact design that lets me use it in more places and it should be less tiering. I can't comment of performance because I have not really used it much yet. But being a Black & Decker I expect I will be as happy with this one as I was with the old one.

 "Mediocre at best" 2009-07-29
By Bugaloo
I picked this up for $40 on sale in a local store. It's adequate for most tasks, but no better.



The battery can only be charged when it's plugged into the drill, so you can't alternate between two to keep working. It doesn't have a variable speed setting, so controlling the speed when driving screws is hard. The battery capacity seems small, plus there's no charge level indicator on the device or charger, so you don't know when it's fully recharged. Finally, the RPM is very low compared to equivalents--getting through steel is going to take you a while.



If you can get it on sale for a reasonable price, and don't want to do too many adventurous things with a power drill, consider giving it a look.

 "Not pleased with this product" 2009-07-25
By Truthful Reviewer (Valley of the Sun)
Very disappointed with this product. The drill is the smallest that B&D produces, under powered. The battery may be fine but the charger is a waste. It is a plug in adapter that actually plugs into the wall and drill, not a stand alone charger. Without the drill available, you can not charge the battery. No lights to signal when it is charged. It has very few (none) features that one would desire in a drill. I have the B&D set that includes drill, circular saw, TWO batteries, DUAL battery charger and a jig saw. Step up to a better package !!

 "Good drill, bad price" 2009-06-26
By B. J. Hamilton (New England)
just one week after I received my drill, I saw it for 1/2 of what I paid at Home Depot.

It's a fine product, but a disappointing price (I am suprised that Amazon does not offer any price protection)



- as always, the service was good, the delivery was on time etc., but it was not the value I had hoped for.

 "B&D 18-Volt Compact Drill" 2009-02-11
By Deborah Snyder (Bethlehem, PA)
My significant other bailed on me, and took the drill (well OK, it WAS HIS....!!) heheh. I was lost without it! So I looked at the offerings on Amazon, and came across this one. I really like it. It does the job, easy to handle and easy to install and remove the bits.



The one thing I would like to have had with this is a hard case to protect it, but all in all, I give it a thumbs up.


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Factory-Reconditioned Milwaukee 0299-80 8 Amp 1/2-Inch Drill

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This is a factory reconditioned power tool. Reconditioned generally means that the tool has been returned to the manufacturer, who brings the tool back to like new condition. Some tools may contain cosmetic blemishes. Includes 1/2" Magnum® Drill, 0-850 RPM w/ Keyed Chuck - 0299-80, Side Handle, Chuck Key w/ Holder, Product Manual
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- Reconditioned Milwaukee Products have a five-year warranty through the Milwaukee factory or an authorized service center
- Powerful 8.0 amp motor, 0 to 850 rpm, variable speed control, Heavy-duty keyed chuck
- All metal gear case and diaphragm
- 8 ft. 3-wire rubber cord, 360 degree locking side handle
- Ergonomic textured grip and two finger trigger for user comfort and balance
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 "Hole Power" 2009-06-29
By Gary L. Ellison
Very nice job on the reconditioning! Looks brand new. Handle adjusts easily to get in tight places.

 "Drill everything ! Drill anything WHERE IS THE CARRYING CASE ?!?!!?" 2007-09-16
By Anonymous (United States)
Drill everything ! Drill anything WHERE IS THE CARRYING CASE ?!?!!?



I drill 3 1/8 bugle heads through masonite as if it was pine, my paddle bit churns drywall as easy as cake mix.



We had a large rock in a tight place that couldn't be sledged hammered, so we took a mason bit and just punched holes into until we could break it up with framing hammers.



They should make a horror movie and give the killer this drill instead of a chainsaw, it's that killer.




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Bare-Tool Milwaukee 0824-20 18-Volt Cordless V18 Lithium-Ion 1/2-Inch Hammer Drill (Tool Only, No Battery)

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The V18 Hammer Drill with its Li-ion battery cuts up to 25 2-9/16 in. selfeed bit holes per charge. High output motor provides 550 in-lbs. of torque. Patented reversible battery allows drill to fit in tight areas and optimizes balance while working overhead. 1/2 in. metal ratcheting chuck with carbide jaws provides superior bit grip. Tool is backwards compatible with existing Milwaukee NiCd 18V Batteries.
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- Powerful 18-volt cordless 1/2-inch hammer drill
- Provides 550-inch-pounds of torque
- Magnesium gear box for reduced weight and added durability
- 1/2-inch metal ratcheting chuck with carbide jaws for superior gripping strength
- 5-year limited manufacturer-foots warranty
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 "Great drill but orphan battery type" 2009-08-07
By Michael Winters
I like lighter duty hammer drills like this one from Milwaukee as I can turn off the hammer action and just use it as a drill. With the heavy duty commercial hammer drills I can turn off the rotation but not the hammer action and for some drill bits the hammer action will quickly destroy the drill's cutting tips or even knock them off (as they are brazed onto the tool). The hammer action of this drill is adequate for small holes in masonry which is where we have used this drill. For large holes we have moved away from the TCT core drills to the laser welded dry cutting diamond core bits, like the ones from Blue Boar and Husqvarna, where no hammer action is needed or recommended.



The drill is an excellent drill though a bit on the heavy side for extended overhead use (where a Makita is a better choice). The best feature of the drill is its ability to use old NiCads that I had from an older Milwaukee 18v drill. Milwaukee has recently started to sell its new "M series" lithium-ion cordless which are replacing the old "V series" drills like this one. The "V" drills work with either the V lithium-ion batteries or the old NiCad batteries, but the new "M" drills work only with the new "M" type lithium-ion batteries.



Over time it will become more difficult to find the "V" batteries as this was a pretty short model run by Milwaukee. Anyone buying a drill they want to be able to use and get new batteries for over the next 5-10 years would be better off getting the M18 or another brand that is more stable in this regard.



One aspect of this drill that is much better over the new M18 is the design of the second handle which can be positioned (like the DeWalt XRP) anywhere in a 360 degree arc. The new M18 side handle has to be 90 degrees, left or right side, to the drill handle is quite a bit more limiting.



A nice aspect of the new Milwaukee M18 lithium-ion drills is that there are 2 different sizes of power packs so a lighter one can be used by many people who will not need the amps of the full pack and have a lighter drill to work with and the recharge times are half as long for the smaller battery packs. Something that is a little curious is that the Makita lithium-ion battery packs charge in 15 minutes while the small Milwaukee M-type battery packs take 30 minutes and the large battery packs take over an hour to charge.



For most people the full kit will be a better deal but if you have an old Milwaukee 18v NiCad drill and want to gradually ease into lithium-ion this would on the surface seem like a good approach. Unfortunately with the new M-type drills that will not work with either Milwaukee Ni-Cad or Milwaukee V-type lithium ion batteries, this drill is a bit of a dead end and a dubious investment over the long run.



Having been bit in the past by manufacturers that stopped producing batteries for early NiCad drivers and drills I am now much more cautious and want to verify the easy availability of replacement batteries (at local stores) before making a purchase decision. Whether Makita products are better or not is up for debate but their replacement batteries have the widest distribution of any manufacturer which should be a consideration.



If you are chucking your old NiCad batteries there are places including Home Depot that have recycling bins which keeps the deadly cadmium out of local landfills and the water supply.

 "Unbelievable value" 2009-07-13
By Jeremy A. Miller (Raleigh, NC)
I purchased the 824-20 (bare tool) here on Amazon, but the seller was bestcutleryandcookware and the price was $69.99 + $10 shipping. As soon as I made the purchase I noticed the retailer associated to this link changed and the price went up a few dollars. So I can only speak for my experience throught the retailer that sold me the drill.



The drill was apparently from a larger set, so it did not come in the original packaging. It was brand new however and came with a user manual and the detachable handle.



For $80, this is an incredible deal. The model has been discontinued, which doesn't make any difference to me other than driving down the price. I used to own a dewalt, and this drill is much higher quality. I can't believe I was able to buy this drill for the price I paid. It is one of my finest tools in my garage, and I have a lot.



It has lots of torque and plenty of battery life. I love the chuck as well. It has a ratcheting mechanism that really locks down on the bit. I didn't know if I would use the hammer action that much but have used it quite a bit. Works great on concrete. I bought this as my primary cordless drill and so far I am overjoyed with it. Fantastic product.

 "Great tool" 2009-06-20
By R. Schwendel (Brick, NJ USA)
Great tool that I bought specifically to work with my older 18v batteries from Milwaukee. Very satisfied.

 "milwaukee hammer drill" 2009-06-20
By Derric C. Dumrese
Great product, glad that it is sold without the battery. I was able to replace my broken drill without the cost of expensive batteries I already had.

 "No doubt the best cordless drill" 2009-01-10
By Jesse Dover (Providence, RI USA)
I am a finish carpenter/ contractor and have used so many different cordless drills over the years (Dewalt, Ryobi, Makita). Every time they died on me I changed brands until I found this drill. I bought mine in a combo with the sawzall, and circular saw for $250 on sale. This drill performs far superior to all the others in every way. The most important are the strength and battery life/power. This drill keeps going through hot and cold conditions, and doesn't bog down as it gets to the end of it's cycle. This thing is great for drilling into concrete and hard woods. I have put mine through a lot and it shows no signs of ever stopping, or loss of power. The batteries last forever, and show you how much they have left on side. Also it can be used with ni cad or lithium batteries, and the lithium charger charges both.



Also this drill may be a little heavy but it is built indestructable. I dropped mine off a 40ft roof onto the pavement, and it is fine. The bit it had in it broke and it got scratched up a bit, but the chuck is still straight, and the hard plastic body is still strong and in good shape! Other drills I have owned have broken from falling from a 7ft ladder (Dewalt). Milwaukee spares no expense on the quality of their tools.



My favorite aspect of this drill is the chuck for two reasons. As stated in other reviews it is made of metal and carbide for a better grip on your bits, and durability. Also the chuck ratchets tight to whatever you put in it's jaws. The motor keeps the chuck locked in place when the drill is not in use so you don't have to tighten it with two hands, or by running the drill with your other hand on the chuck. I have never had the chuck slip on anything I have put in it, the ratchet really gets a great grip on the bit or driver.



There are so many reasons to get this drill. Too many to write here. There is no doubt it is the strongest and best made drill on the market. It will be the last time you switch brands, that's for sure.


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